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and your worst day will suck beyond your worst nightmare

i'll second that amen.


I've been horrible about keeping attendance (read: I haven't marked it down since February) I hope that doesn't come back to bite me....
Wow, this is really good!
i take serious, serious issue with this (or at least the part that ben has lifted up on his blog). particularly:

"During summer school you'll be told to manage your classroom in a way that seems dehumanizing and demeaning. Do it."

wherein you actually ask people to push aside critical engagement in the identity/power issues that lie beneath the very real notion that applying a grotesquely skinnerian framework for behavioral control may be problematic, and-- yes-- dehumanizing (which it is). this is not to say that one should not attempt to create a humanizing and rigid environment, nor is it to say that being strict or structure-happy is necessarily problematic. it is to say, that i take issue with the (unfortunately common) implication that people will be better off putting their conscience aside for the moment while they learn the rigoramole of punishment-punishment-punishment-reward-punishment-punishment because the "reality" of the "dogs" that they're going to have to "train" is just so (gasp) different from their own that they can't possibly understand it, let alone engage in it on it's own terms and or let it inform/be informed by whatever previous socioethical framework they are fluent in.

"Your students in your classrooms come from families that are chaotic and tragic beyond your wildest imagination."

wherein you blatantly romanticize and make caricature of (and, to qualify my use of these terms, i point to your use of "wildest imagination") the very community that you are serving. once again dehumanization takes the form of hyperbole: that the "reality" of the living conditions outside of the school building (i.e. in the space of homes) is just beyond rational understanding. i contend that it is in fact not that hard to engage in (let alone wrap one's mind around) the wide range of family relationships that one encounters in a community (any community, actually), and perhaps the real issue is that we're letting our "wildest imaginations" get the best of us, instead of doing the difficult work of engaging in the complexities of power, race, identity, community, etc. and, of course, we can all bring out our "life is tough" list of horrible situations that students have to deal with-- but the suggestion of embedding one's response to that list within a framework that replaces rational, supportive engagement with an arm's length just-make-sure-their-shirts-are-tucked-in and use-your-discipline-ladder-so-they-know-there's-structure is far from good advice. furthermore, the most tragic consequence of this caricature is the absence of family lives that are healthy (though, like all, imperfect). dear future teacher: some of your parents give a damn. more importantly, don't for a second let a class, race, or region informed assumption ignite a functional "imagination" to eclipse the reality of your community.

"They do not understand nuanced behavior."

wherein you actually remove the human element from our students. are you kidding me? they don't understand nuanced behavior? this is not only a grossly offensive homogenization of young people (in the same vein of your previous grossly offensive homogenization of mississippi families), but takes the cake in what can only be racialized undertones in these other efforts to help the unconverted yet-to-be-teacher "understand" the sheer uncivilized context in which they are about to have their colonial trial by fire. by actually presupposing that a set of human beings do not (as a whole, mind you) understand nuanced behavior, one opens the door for a vast amount of abuse stemming from the conclusion that they "don't know any better" or i "know what's best for them," a pair of rationales that have some interesting historical precedent (especially in mississippi: if black folk don't understand the nuances of our fine constitution...)

and, for those who may take issue with my taking issue (and want to play the battle wounds game), a little preemption: yes, i was a public high school teacher. yes, i was a public high school teacher in mississippi. yes, i'm still in mississippi. oh, and if you want to really find a reason for me to not having the background necessary to "understand where she's coming from," i did not teach in the delta (which, i may add, does not corner the market on educational failure).
Interesting, and oddly revealing, polemic.
I love All About Eve!
Wow, somebody likes to use a lot of really big words!
Momo,

1) I don’t think your comments are particularly aggressive, or something to regret later. As long as you’ve known me, you know I love a good debate, so I take no offense at our difference of opinion (and on several of your points we do agree). The only part I think you will regret is that last paragraph. Whether you have taught for two years or twenty or zero, your beliefs are equally valid. Experience, of course, helps to inform beliefs, but it doesn’t alter the validity.

2) The parts of Michelle’s blog that I appreciate are, for the most part, different from the parts you most strongly disagree with.

3) The part of the blog that I was highlighting and that I, of course, agree with, is that you have to be strict to be successful at classroom management as a first-year teacher. I haven’t read Skinner so I have no idea if I subscribe to his philosophy. However, I wholeheartedly believe that people respond to incentives, positive and negative. In a classroom setting this means rewarding behavior that you want and punishing behavior you don’t. It’s going to take one hell of an argument, and a lot of data, to convince me otherwise. Michelle was making the point that some (many?) first-years have trouble with the idea of being strict and implementing rules and consequences. Further, Michelle was making the point that while it may seem harsh (key word is seem) it is not actually harsh. Having a well-ordered, safe, classroom with rules and procedures is a sign of caring about the students. I think she is exactly right about this. The main problem you have, I think, with this notion is that Michelle is asking the first-years to “put aside their conscience.” I don’t think this is accurate and I don’t see this reflected in her post. Again, the key word is “seems.” I don’t think Michelle is saying “put away your conscience.” I think she is saying, “examine the ideas of rules, rewards, and consequences before you dismiss them outright as unnecessarily harsh and/or demeaning.”

4) The stuff about chaotic and tragic lives and seeing more violence before school starts than some of the teachers have ever seen is hyperbole. I believe this is the main part you take issue with. You and Michelle can blog this out.

5) The part that I really like in Michelle’s post, and the point I was highlighting, is this: You'll be tempted to think, "I'll be the one who's different. I'll show them respect and they'll respect me for it. They'll want to please me because I'm the first person who's ever smiled at them and shown I care." You will be fresh meat. It won't happen.

Michelle is exactly right about this. This happens every year with a few first-years…
I know I'm just a foolish, inexperienced, incoming first year, but I want to thank you for this. I know we all want to be Jaime Valesquez (Stand and Deliver, If you haven't seen it, watch it, and if you're a math teacher, it's a great movie for you to show on days that the kids have a half day or something), but we can't go in there hoping to do any more than our job. With doing our jobs, we will be doing what we can for these kids, and if we can help even one student to pass a class he wouldn't have passed before, we'll be doing what we came to do. I hope more first years than me read your post.
I think if we can look past the tone (rather than addressing only that by sending these vaguely or overtly dismissive non-responses into the shin-kicking contest) we can see there's a genuine concern in Dave's response and something important at stake in it. There is obvious refuge to be found in claims of poetic license, of hyperbole and deafness to it -- and if that's what it takes to feel comfortably distant or personally defended from attack, fine -- but can't we see something real informing the vitriol?

(I scribbled this response in a Moleskine while proctoring a state test. Since then Dave posted a somewhat less emotional and less dense explication over here.)

Being effective (or most effective) is not at issue, since it is not itself sufficient to make something good or right. Is there a sense in which we are encouraged -- by the impossible difficulty of our job and desperateness to find teachable, trainable solutions -- to put aside critical engagement, even to put aside conscience? If it is so common for newcomers to feel -- just to <i>feel</i>, even inaccurately, as they might decide in the end -- that there's something <i>dehumanizing</i> about this, something morally suspicious, should we really be dismissive of that perception? Hand-waving toward the wisdom of experience doesn't seem sufficient to me. Even if 100% of us left after two years having been convinced by survival necessity that this is a morally simple issue (we don't, incidentally), an argument of practicality, even of "the only workable and effective solution" is not rigorous, is not intellectually satisfying.

Is there not some moral complexity in what we do? Isn't facing that openly and reflectively preferable to a "trust us, freshmen" dismissal?
Although I was a bit put off by dave's response, I understood where he was coming from --- and I think Robbie put my feelings very well... We (meaning MTC, and its participants) don't spend much time (or really, anytime at all) talking about the "moral complexity" of our teaching, and specifically classroom managing strategies. (And Ben, while I enjoy the moral quandering of the "hypothetical situations" I don't think this counts) There just isn't time in the summer to sit in philosophical discussions over the soceital/ethical/emotional/historical implications of our teaching methods, when there are so many methods to learn, and so little time before we are "thrown to the wolves" so to speak.

But the content (and tone) of Michele's original post was given to me in much the same way by 2nd/3rd years, and probably, at some point, I will attempt to convey some of the very same ideas (that still bother me somewhat) to future ignorant MTCers..... Perhaps we could make a concerted effort to add this type of discussion to the classroom management session summer school (that included 1st and second years) so that this would be brought to light? Blogging discussions/debates are nice, but the vast majority of MTCers seem somewhat turned off by the blogosphere... dehumanizing, one might say......
Ok, I think I figured out my response to Dave's rant above. It takes me a few days to mull over this, but anyway . . .

I have been teaching for a while and am a bit older than some of you so my perspective may be different. One of the things I really appreciate about my job is I can approach it however I choose to (within reason). After a few years many of us find what fits for us. It may not fit for others, it may make others uncomfortable, but it works for us. There are a zillion different teaching styles out there, and thank goodness there are! Kids need to be exposed to all sorts of different styles of management, as it prepares them for the Real World.

This style works for Michelle and bless her, and all of you MTC'rs, for trying to make a difference. If you disagree with it, don't choose it for yourself (and if you wish to debate it, do so respectfully, or others will not listen). It took me years to really get myself into what fit perfectly for me, to learn the tricks that get kids to listen and behave. And honestly, I can't even reallly explain them all. Teaching is hard enough--don't make it worse by attacking one another. Focus on all the good that you have done--with your students and with yourselves. And keep on teaching!
ooops, please remove the extra "l" from my spelling of Michele's name.
Ha! I can't edit comments (what an interesting dialog dynamic that would be) but have posted yours because it always makes me happy when people notice.

I, too, am working on my response and will post it in a few days.

Just getting around to reading this exchange. I agree with the intent of Michelle's original post,but, like Dave, found the language problematic. Being a first-year teacher is hard; mostly because you're adequately prepared to step into an unfamiliar space and perform. To be successful, you do have create and manage order. You end up creating this semi coherent system of punishments and rewards that communicate whatever system of rules and expectations govern the classroom. Whatever is going on in other classrooms, in their homes, in their community, when the students enter your classroom, they know they can't get out of their seats without raising their hand, or that if they answer question correctly on Thursday they'll get a little red ticket.

My thing is, our students already know how the system of rewards and punishments operate. There's a quote that I see trafficked in a lot of the 2nd year portfolios that states the students "...They need to know responsibility, organization, dedication, and that if they work and try hard enough, there's a better life for them out there." In an ahistorical vacuum, this statement is absolutely correct. Wake up early, go to your job and work hard every day, your kids will afforded better opportunities. Mississippi, however, ain't no vacuum.
And, while it's not broad cultural determinism either--we do have middle class families, fathers who take care of their sons and mothers who work 2 and 3 jobs to provide for their families--everyone is aware of the rules of the game. You can work hard your entire life and still be one medical bill away from poverty. the state can put all the mandatory minimums on possession w/ intention to distribute that it wants, unless there are jobs providing reasonable wages, being a d-boy will always be an attractive prospect.

All of that to circle back to the meta-critical point: why teach in Mississippi? It's the specter that always looms in the background of our conversations and our classes. We bring strong content area knowledge; we get trained to become better classroom managers; we learn innovative techniques to make the mundane interesting; we master webquests. At the end of the day, and this is the question that has to inform the MTC experience, is why here? If we simply wanted to become teachers, there are any number of more organized, more teacher friendly school districts we could have chosen. If it was to be part of a humanitarian effort or some broader Do-Good effort, I'm sure there are any number of non-profit organizations that would have you work on just as serious problems w/o the long hours, the bureaucratic BS (and probably better pay) .

Yet, here we are in Mississippi. Teaching: the boy who spent the whole night clocking before they came to your homeroom, the girl who had baby as sophomores and still scored a 28 on the ACT, the boy who is going to get a full ride to any school in the state despite his mom being addicted to crack, the obese dark-skinned girl with low self-esteem, the pretty light skinned girl with low self esteem, the tall gangly boy who's world just collapsed because he's not going to get the football scholarship and go pro like he always dreamed.


More than anything, we need to find moments of pause-- and for Michelle, Dave, and Robbie, I really appreciate the back and forth--where we as a group take a moment of pause and ask what are we doing here. There are some built in moments along the way: watching Lailee's Kin the first summer, discussing the school district project this spring, the portfolio project at the end of all of this. But we should gather our selves at times and create some critical distance from the pedagogical tools that we operate on a weekly basis and reflect, with some sincerity, on what we want to accomplish as teachers in the most southern place on earth.
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